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		<title>By: Sites to See for September 14 &#8212; Laurel Plum Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sites to See for September 14 &#8212; Laurel Plum Online</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Work Happy Now! &#187; Just a Little More Effort for True Happiness</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>Work Happy Now! &#187; Just a Little More Effort for True Happiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] major decisions throughout their career. How do they cope with a mistake? How do they move on and rediscover their happiness? How do you forget and move [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Barbara, I always hope that people make arrangements for driving before they start drinking. To make a decision at the last minute can very well be disastrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barbara, I always hope that people make arrangements for driving before they start drinking. To make a decision at the last minute can very well be disastrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Swafford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Swafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hunter,

How do you know?  When a doctor is faced with a life and death situation, they are often forced to make a decision quickly.  He did the best he could with the information he had.  

I&#039;ve thought of this with regard to drinking and driving.  For that reason, our family practices the &quot;designator driver&quot; rule.  But, I usually get nominated as I only drink on rare occasions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hunter,</p>
<p>How do you know?  When a doctor is faced with a life and death situation, they are often forced to make a decision quickly.  He did the best he could with the information he had.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought of this with regard to drinking and driving.  For that reason, our family practices the &#8220;designator driver&#8221; rule.  But, I usually get nominated as I only drink on rare occasions.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2202</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Karl, I think Scrubs is a great show, exactly for that reason&#8211;it teaches and entertains. I had no idea you could be a drunk jerk, but congrats on correcting course!</p>
<p>@ Irene, gosh, I can imagine what a wake-up call that must have been! But hey, what a way to dive into my blog head first! It sounds like you have a great perspective on self-forgiveness, the kind that can only come from experience. I love this line: &#8220;They really can’t feel the logic nor the goodness of the lesson while they’re still in the mud.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irene &#124; Light Beckons</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene &#124; Light Beckons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hunter,

This is my first visit to your site and wow, was I blown away!  I have personally learnt that forgiveness of self is the hardest of them all.  While a part of me wanted to heal so badly and believe the good things that friends or loved ones  tell me, nothing was really effectively until I found the guts to allow the guilt to surface and work its toll.  It definitely ain&#039;t a breeze, and this can take years ... but it IS possible to heal.  People DO learn something good out of bad experiences, but that only comes when they finally get out of it.  They really can&#039;t feel the logic nor the goodness of the lesson while they&#039;re still in the mud.

Finding that spark of courage and determination to heal is a start - people must WANT to heal and see the light, otherwise the guilt will just consume them.  It&#039;s really hard to help people who don&#039;t want to help themselves.  Instead of trying to tell them to snap out of it (which they won&#039;t), we just need to help them find that one spark first and then work from there.

This is the first post I read after I woke up in the morning, so boom ... what a wake-up call, LOL!  Excellent post Hunter. :)

Irene &#124; Light Beckonss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lightbeckons.com/2008/07/20/10-things-that-make-me-happy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;10 Things That Make Me Happy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hunter,</p>
<p>This is my first visit to your site and wow, was I blown away!  I have personally learnt that forgiveness of self is the hardest of them all.  While a part of me wanted to heal so badly and believe the good things that friends or loved ones  tell me, nothing was really effectively until I found the guts to allow the guilt to surface and work its toll.  It definitely ain&#8217;t a breeze, and this can take years &#8230; but it IS possible to heal.  People DO learn something good out of bad experiences, but that only comes when they finally get out of it.  They really can&#8217;t feel the logic nor the goodness of the lesson while they&#8217;re still in the mud.</p>
<p>Finding that spark of courage and determination to heal is a start &#8211; people must WANT to heal and see the light, otherwise the guilt will just consume them.  It&#8217;s really hard to help people who don&#8217;t want to help themselves.  Instead of trying to tell them to snap out of it (which they won&#8217;t), we just need to help them find that one spark first and then work from there.</p>
<p>This is the first post I read after I woke up in the morning, so boom &#8230; what a wake-up call, LOL!  Excellent post Hunter. <img src='http://hunternuttall.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Irene | Light Beckonss last blog post..<a href="http://lightbeckons.com/2008/07/20/10-things-that-make-me-happy/" rel="nofollow">10 Things That Make Me Happy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl Staib - Your Work Happiness Matters</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Staib - Your Work Happiness Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a powerful clip. I love Scrubs. It teaches and entertains, just like I try to do on my blog.</p>
<p>When we can forgive ourselves and move on that&#8217;s when we are growing. I&#8217;ve made plenty of mistakes &#8211; drinking too much at weddings and acting like a jerk. I&#8217;ve learned to stop drinking so much and enjoy a more sober party. When we fall flat on our faces it&#8217;s up to us to use them to our advantage.</p>
<p>Karl Staib &#8211; Your Work Happiness Matterss last blog post..<a href="http://www.workhappynow.com/2008/07/17/productivity-at-its-most-effective-%E2%80%93-when-it%E2%80%99s-easy-to-apply-to-your-life/" rel="nofollow">Productivity at its Most Effective – When It’s Easy to Apply to Your Life</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2178</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shilpan, I totally agree that making no decision is often worse than making even a wrong decision. If he had done nothing, the first two patients would have died without a transplant. On the other hand, what about the third patient? There was no time constraint, as he could have waited another month for a kidney.

@ Evelyn, I think that&#039;s a good way of looking at it - mistakes happen in order to teach us something. And that &quot;something&quot; just might be self-forgiveness, as we all have to make mistakes.

@ Barbara, thanks for visiting and subscribing. I know your name somehow, but I can&#039;t remember where I saw you. I agree that actually being there and having to make the decision in the heat of the moment is very different from looking at it objectively with hindsight.

@ Cath, exactly, no one would expect someone to die of rabies, and since they had a drug overdose as an explanation, it was reasonable not to test for anything else, especially given the time pressure.

@ Laurie, I don&#039;t remember exactly how the drug overdose assumption unfolded. They knew she was depressed, and they found drugs in her blood, and I guess her symptoms were consistent with an overdose. You&#039;re right to consider the person or people who made this determination, but I think Dr. Cox was one of them. And Dr. Cox decided not to do an autopsy first because the cause of death seemed clear, and they needed the organs now. And let&#039;s say the cause of death had been obvious, like a gunshot to the chest. They could still have rabies, even if it wasn&#039;t the cause of death. It&#039;s a lot to consider!

@ Marelisa, sometimes I really think you&#039;re psychic. In the show they considered &quot;what would a reasonable doctor have done&quot; and also the &quot;horses, not zebras&quot; bit (though that was for something else). And I&#039;m using the word &quot;extravaganza&quot; in my next post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shilpan, I totally agree that making no decision is often worse than making even a wrong decision. If he had done nothing, the first two patients would have died without a transplant. On the other hand, what about the third patient? There was no time constraint, as he could have waited another month for a kidney.</p>
<p>@ Evelyn, I think that&#8217;s a good way of looking at it &#8211; mistakes happen in order to teach us something. And that &#8220;something&#8221; just might be self-forgiveness, as we all have to make mistakes.</p>
<p>@ Barbara, thanks for visiting and subscribing. I know your name somehow, but I can&#8217;t remember where I saw you. I agree that actually being there and having to make the decision in the heat of the moment is very different from looking at it objectively with hindsight.</p>
<p>@ Cath, exactly, no one would expect someone to die of rabies, and since they had a drug overdose as an explanation, it was reasonable not to test for anything else, especially given the time pressure.</p>
<p>@ Laurie, I don&#8217;t remember exactly how the drug overdose assumption unfolded. They knew she was depressed, and they found drugs in her blood, and I guess her symptoms were consistent with an overdose. You&#8217;re right to consider the person or people who made this determination, but I think Dr. Cox was one of them. And Dr. Cox decided not to do an autopsy first because the cause of death seemed clear, and they needed the organs now. And let&#8217;s say the cause of death had been obvious, like a gunshot to the chest. They could still have rabies, even if it wasn&#8217;t the cause of death. It&#8217;s a lot to consider!</p>
<p>@ Marelisa, sometimes I really think you&#8217;re psychic. In the show they considered &#8220;what would a reasonable doctor have done&#8221; and also the &#8220;horses, not zebras&#8221; bit (though that was for something else). And I&#8217;m using the word &#8220;extravaganza&#8221; in my next post!</p>
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		<title>By: Marelisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marelisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you can do is ask: what would a reasonable doctor have done in Cox&#039;s situation?  Likewise, when you make a mistake, or someone around you does, ask yourself the same question.  There&#039;s also a saying that goes: if you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.

Marelisas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/?p=174&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creativity Extravaganza: 30 Tips, Tools, and Resources&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you can do is ask: what would a reasonable doctor have done in Cox&#8217;s situation?  Likewise, when you make a mistake, or someone around you does, ask yourself the same question.  There&#8217;s also a saying that goes: if you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.</p>
<p>Marelisas last blog post..<a href="http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/?p=174" rel="nofollow">Creativity Extravaganza: 30 Tips, Tools, and Resources</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laurie &#124; Express Yourself to Success</title>
		<link>http://hunternuttall.com/blog/2008/07/forgiving-yourself-for-a-fatal-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie &#124; Express Yourself to Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this unfortunate scenario; Dr. Cox he did what he believed was best with the information he had which, up to the point of post-operation, was considered correct. I didn&#039;t see the episode, so I don&#039;t know the details, but I wonder about the initial assumption that the patient died of a drug overdose...why weren&#039;t the tests for cause of death done prior something as important as an organ transplant? Granted, Dr. Cox made the final decision but how does the person, who told him the apparent cause of death, feel knowing he said a drug overdose when it was actually rabies? That person must feel equally bad since the following decisions were based on what he said. 

I believe that for the most part, we do the best we can with the information and experience we have for any situation that comes up in life.

Laurie &#124; Express Yourself to Successs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.expressyourselftosuccess.com/even-with-good-social-skills-would-someone-want-to-be-your-friend&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Even with good social skills, would someone want to be your friend?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this unfortunate scenario; Dr. Cox he did what he believed was best with the information he had which, up to the point of post-operation, was considered correct. I didn&#8217;t see the episode, so I don&#8217;t know the details, but I wonder about the initial assumption that the patient died of a drug overdose&#8230;why weren&#8217;t the tests for cause of death done prior something as important as an organ transplant? Granted, Dr. Cox made the final decision but how does the person, who told him the apparent cause of death, feel knowing he said a drug overdose when it was actually rabies? That person must feel equally bad since the following decisions were based on what he said. </p>
<p>I believe that for the most part, we do the best we can with the information and experience we have for any situation that comes up in life.</p>
<p>Laurie | Express Yourself to Successs last blog post..<a href="http://www.expressyourselftosuccess.com/even-with-good-social-skills-would-someone-want-to-be-your-friend" rel="nofollow">Even with good social skills, would someone want to be your friend?</a></p>
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